Out & About …

… on the North York Moors, or wherever I happen to be.

Where have I been today?

A dreich day, so decided to do a little exploring.

I’ve been into this lovely secluded little valley only once before, its name implying a broken rocky cliff but there seems an absence of bare rock.

It appears a natural place to graze cattle, hidden away from passing travellers and prying eyes, hemmed in by steep sides with a narrow entrance.

That has inspired me to provide a couple of onomastic clues, purely speculation on my part.

In his play “Timon of Athens” Shakespeare wrote:

“It is the pasture lards the rother’s sides,
The want that makes him lean.”

Rother is an old name for a horned beast such as oxen or cows. Could the first element of this valley’s name be a corruption of rother?

As for the second element, the Old Norse word skartð means a notch, which would certainly match the topography, or a harelip. The name of a seaside town that does derive indeed from this word will be familiar. Its founder is identified in old chronicles as Thorgils Skarthi, literally Thorgils Harelip.

I’m in the North York Moors of course but where was I?


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4 responses to “Where have I been today?”

  1. Bob Howe avatar
    Bob Howe

    is it near Arden Hall Mick, the hill in the background looks familiar. Similar shape to Hawnby Hill or Easterside hill

    1. Fhithich avatar
      Fhithich

      I’m neither denying or confirming it, Bob. Will let on at the end of the week. You’ll kick yourself.

  2. […] Last Sunday I posted a little question where was I when I took the photo. I thought the hill would be a giveaway but for once no one came close. Further back and a little bit higher on the edge of Urra Moor and Hasty Bank becomes more obvious. The valley is the top end of Bilsdale and is 90º to the B1257 which continues to climb up to the col at Clay Bank. So I guess this small wooded sided valley is still actually Bilsdale as Bilsdale Beck flows down it. But on large-scale maps, it is referred to as Rotten Scar. […]

  3. Fhithich avatar
    Fhithich

    For the answer see my post of the 19 October 2018

    http://www.fhithich.uk/?p=20348

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